Episode 262

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3rd Feb 2024

How Are We Going To Pay For It with Geoff Ginter, Rohan Grey, and Yeva Nersisyan

“...the question of how to pay for it is a very complicated question but has much less to do with money than it does to do with social structure and industrial structure. And the quicker we can get away from centering the taxpayer as the goose that holds the golden egg money and more towards the questions of labor and industrial structure that are really going to affect how we provide healthcare, I think we're going to be in a better place.” — Rohan Grey

In 2022, Real Progressives helped our coalition partners, March for Medicare for All, organize a three-day educational summit on the healthcare crisis in the US. This week’s episode is from the panel we put together on paying for national improved Medicare for All, featuring Geoff Ginter, Yeva Nersisyan, and Rohan Grey.


The panelists discuss:


  • The meaning of currency user vs currency creator
  • The money story and order of operations
  • Financial restraints vs resource constraints
  • The importance of deficit spending
  • Private vs public investment and inflationary constraints
  • Potential impact of policies on the economy
  • The truth about the so-called national debt


Specific to Medicare for All, they address the problem of transitioning workers out of administrative jobs in the insurance industry. They explain why Medicare for All is likely to be deflationary rather than inflationary. And they look to history to suggest ways of attracting healthcare workers to underserved locations.


Geoffrey Ginter is a New Jersey based certified medical assistant, activist, and MMT evangelist. 


Yeva Nersisyan is an associate professor of economics at Franklin and Marshall College and a research scholar at the Levy Economics Institute at Bard College.


Rohan Grey is an Assistant Professor of Law at Willamette University and the founder and president of the Modern Money Network. MintTheCoin.org


@rohangrey on Twitter

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